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Why Vegeta and Goku seem to have more potential than Gohan
Topic Started: Jun 26 2014, 02:47 PM (5,154 Views)
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Makes sense, I'll roll with that too I think.
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Vegeta, did you change your mind? I though you rolled with Frieza> BS
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You could very well say Goku was suppressing, but you must also take into account that Goku never made a point of Beerus being wrong. He immediately powered up to SSjin and subsequently SSJ2 and SSJ3, much like he did for Boo and Babidi. Whatever the case be, Base power isn't important.
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Jul 8 2014, 10:57 AM
Vegeta, did you change your mind? I though you rolled with Frieza> BS
Yup, I changed my mind.
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Jul 8 2014, 01:32 PM
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Vegeta, did you change your mind? I though you rolled with Frieza> BS
Yup, I changed my mind.

Not that I'm against that, cuz I'm rolling the same. But how so ?
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I changed my mind simply because there's so much against the idea. Freeza > Base Saiyajins isn't supported in any way, shape, or form; it's just a preference. When I assume the base Saiyajins are above Piccolo, I'm rolling with what's implied, and therefore easier to back up, and frankly much more likely. Evidence used to support the idea that the base Saiyajins never surpassed Freeza sound more like excuses than actual evidence to me.
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What is the evidence, Prince?
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Jul 9 2014, 02:41 PM
What is the evidence, Prince?
For which side?
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Frieza being above base saiyans
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Jul 9 2014, 02:59 PM
Frieza being above base saiyans
Like I said, they are more like excuses. For example, Vegeta is confident that he would be the superior fighter at the Budokai without Ssj, knowing full well that 18 and Piccolo would be participants. The tradition counter argument is that Vegeta was referring to his superiority to the base Saiyajins. Fair enough, but that sounds more like an excuse than actual counter. Furthermore that "counter" can be countered by Gohan suggesting it. One could argue that Vegeta didn't know who was participating, it'd be conjecture, but it's a counter nonetheless. The problem with this counter is that Gohan knows full well who is participating because he talked to the participants about the Budokai. If Gohan knows Piccolo is going to enter, and still wants to win, wouldn't that prove his superiority to Piccolo? Gohan isn't an idiot, and he should know what his best friend is capable of. Freeza being superior to the base Saiyajins simply isn't supported, and any attempt to try and back up that claim usually fail or sound like excuses more so than actual evidence.
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I think I see where you're coming from. I do think it was the intention to at least have base saiyans close to Freeza at that point.
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I know for me, I feel Base Saiyans surpassed Frieza during the ROSAT and also left him in the dust at the same time. I also think by the Boo arc most Base Saiyans could have defeated No. 17 by then.

@THEPRINCEOFSAIYAJINS: I love your thinking about everything being in it's own universe... it makes perfect sense.

That's what I've been thinking about the movies, which is why I don't try to fit them in the main timeline. It's possible that if the movies takes place in their own universe, the movies could fit in that universes timeline and possibly the movie villains could be real villains in that universe main timeline, where you could also make GT part of it and would make sense with GT referencing the movies.
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